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Helen F
Warrington
76 of 101  Tue 5th Sep 2023 1:26pm  

You got it Neil. Thumbs up The tall timber building was the two sections either side of the passageway.
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NeilsYard
Coventry
77 of 101  Fri 6th Oct 2023 4:10pm  

Post-war Broadgate image but does that show the remains of that Tall building on what was Derby Lane to the left?
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Helen F
Warrington
78 of 101  Fri 6th Oct 2023 4:18pm  

Hi Neil. I think that it was further over to the left. The row on Broadgate was much deeper than the row on Derby Lane.
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NeilsYard
Coventry
79 of 101  Fri 6th Oct 2023 4:21pm  

Yes sorry Helen - think you're right looking at map layouts.................
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NeilsYard
Coventry
80 of 101  Fri 20th Oct 2023 2:46pm  

You know it's one of my favourite spots, Helen, but despite ages at looking at these images I've only just realised where this exact spot was - so that's the later Brick from that taller building that remained on Derby Lane behind JB. I wonder if it was one of these properties where that Wishing Well (that it became) originated from?
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Helen F
Warrington
81 of 101  Fri 20th Oct 2023 4:38pm  

Those steps went into the Popes Head Alley which wiggled between the buildings on Broadgate and Derby Lane. See the older version of the photo view here.
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NeilsYard
Coventry
82 of 101  Fri 20th Oct 2023 4:52pm  

Brill Helen! Not seen that before. Apols Ben, pinched this one of the BoH 1851 map - so can we use this to spot the Popes Head and also try to locate where that 'wishing well' originally was?
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NeilsYard
Coventry
83 of 101  Fri 20th Oct 2023 5:00pm  

On 20th Oct 2023 4:38pm, Helen F said: Those steps went into the Popes Head Alley which wiggled between the buildings on Broadgate and Derby Lane. See the older version of the photo view here.
Looking at the engraving though - comparing the steps to the ones in the CD image - wouldn't Derby Lane be in the other side?
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NeilsYard
Coventry
84 of 101  Fri 20th Oct 2023 5:07pm  

Would this be the Alley then Helen? I wonder if the Well was in that garden further south?
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Helen F
Warrington
85 of 101  Fri 20th Oct 2023 5:26pm  

That's part of it. Through the passageway people could have accessed the next open area and I suspect that originally there was a route all the way to Pepper Lane. There was at least one communal well in the area where your yellow marker starts on the left but there were other wells. What I don't know is if they were all communal or if they were within a property. There was a pump in Broadgate and a conduit in Cross Cheaping. At various times the wells were more viable than others. The water table and pollution playing a part. The problem with matching a well with the old maps is that Broadgate widened considerably. Without being able to triangulate the well with fixed points, and then adjusting for the map being slightly wrong, it's hard to say exactly where it was.
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Helen F
Warrington
86 of 101  Fri 20th Oct 2023 5:29pm  

On 20th Oct 2023 5:00pm, NeilsYard said:
On 20th Oct 2023 4:38pm, Helen F said: Those steps went into the Popes Head Alley which wiggled between the buildings on Broadgate and Derby Lane. See the older version of the photo view here.
Looking at the engraving though - comparing the steps to the ones in the CD image - wouldn't Derby Lane be in the other side?
Yes, the steps up and the walled up cellar were at the back. If you look closely you can see the steps on the map, on the right of the area you've marked in yellow.
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NeilsYard
Coventry
87 of 101  Mon 20th Nov 2023 11:38am  

Rob, Ben and I had a quick catchup again on Saturday at the Archives - quick for me as I could only get there in the afternoon. Many Thanks to Rob for passing on to me some spare Lithograph copies after one of his recent brill purchases (we are meeting up early December to upload the entire series to Cov Digital for all to see using Ben's fancy book scanner). I must share this one as it was only following our afternoon Cuppa that we realised it's the same building as the Piccy already in CD - Notice the same arched door and 'caged' window lower left - It seems to have had that lean for years! Thumbs up
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Helen F
Warrington
88 of 101  Mon 20th Nov 2023 11:57am  

One of my favourite pictures Double thumbs up From what I gather, buildings were often very wonky from almost the start. They built with unseasoned wood, which warped as it dried.
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NeilsYard
Coventry
89 of 101  Sun 17th Mar 2024 9:21am  

From the Cooper Collection - taken from what was then Bayley Lane looking west towards Pepper Lane and the junction on the right into Derby Lane. The Tobys Head is just out of sight on the left but you can see the same lamp from the well known images of the Pub/Lane. It's the first image I have seen from that direction pre-blitz. G.Barke Pawnbroker comes up on the 1886 directory Thumbs up
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NeilsYard
Coventry
90 of 101  Sun 17th Mar 2024 10:39am  

There are a couple of similar images before but greater detail here on this Cooper Collection image -
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