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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
211 of 494  Tue 5th Dec 2017 5:55pm  

Hey, look, only my own opinion. But I look at these empty pictures and think Coventry's got bubonic plague or such, the people have all gone, there is no heart, no soul in the city, deserted, desolate, I need the people, I need life, I need the Coventry I once knew.
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
Helen F
Warrington
212 of 494  Tue 5th Dec 2017 6:33pm  

LOL. Just very early on a summer's morning. The shutters are closed, the shadows are almost pointing south. There are plenty of clues to the age of the photo, including the building on the left, which was demolished to widen Hertford Street. At that point you weren't even a gleam in your father's eye. Your father might not have been a gleam in his father's eye.
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
NeilsYard
Coventry
213 of 494  Tue 5th Dec 2017 6:53pm  

Broadgate widened around 1820 I understand and that building on the left would be where the Coventry Arms came to be then Helen? That must be a very early Cov image - one of the earliest?
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
Midland Red

214 of 494  Tue 5th Dec 2017 6:58pm  

Here's a similar view from the early years of the 20th century - sorry, Kaga, still before your time Thumbs up From the 1930s: And a post-WWII view:
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Helen F
Warrington
215 of 494  Tue 5th Dec 2017 8:00pm  

Neil I'm guessing that the image is from the 1860s. The photo below (Rob posted a few days ago) shows the building on the right in the background. The Coventry Arms was next door but one to the left (fancy Georgian windows and gabled roof). The building that would have originally stood where Hertford Street was built, looked very similar to the Coventry Arms. The widening of Broadgate in the 1830s saw a row of half timbered buildings demolished and the buildings remaining on the west (right side of Broadgate photo) side Georgianised. The east and south sides were already in that style, with a few stragglers. After the building was demolished.
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
Rob Orland
Historic Coventry
216 of 494  Tue 5th Dec 2017 9:01pm  

Yes, the "auction" photo that Neil kindly added above (post 219) was almost certainly taken by Joseph Wingrave in the 1860s - and probably from outside his own Chemist shop at number 4 High Street (see post 11 on this page, which is looking back in the opposite direction). Also, the new King's Head Hotel, seen in Midland Red's photos above, was built in 1879, so that puts a window of less than two decades for the auction photo. Wingrave was at his most active in the 1860s though, so that would be my guess. Also, check another photo of his in my image collection. Definitely that era, within a few years.
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
Helen F
Warrington
217 of 494  Tue 5th Dec 2017 11:36pm  

I bet what happened, he took the first photos during the day. Developed them and was disappointed by the number of ghosts, where people moved during the shot. So he got up really early on a summer's day to catch the street with nobody in the shot. Only there's a drunk on the corner who hasn't even made his way to bed yet. Lol
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Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
218 of 494  Wed 6th Dec 2017 9:46am  

Yes on paper my post looked a bit harsh considering all the work and effort you all put in to produce the pictures. It just seems strange to me that a bridge was called ram bridge, when all I knew was that at the beginning of the twentieth century cottages had perhaps only one little luxury, which was one forlorn cold tap in the scullery, probably provided by a ram of uncertain temper whose working invariably went wrong. Yes I bow to your expert knowledge. Hey wait a minute, I have one over on you. I had drinks in the White Lion, it had no real street, no frontage, scarred all over, among rubble bits of wire and broken timber, really like no mans land. Cheers Cheers
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
Helen F
Warrington
219 of 494  Wed 6th Dec 2017 10:26am  

We know where you were coming from Kaga. I'm also fairly sure that the Ram bridge was connected to water management at that point. I just have to remember where I read the information.
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Annewiggy
Tamworth
220 of 494  Wed 6th Dec 2017 11:37am  

Looking through the newspaper archives there were baths and a swimming pool at Ram Bridge mentioned in various years in the early 19th century. The adverts were usually to say that the baths were re-opened. Would they have been closed for cleaning or some other reason ? It says that the swimming pool was heated by steam. There is also mention in 1930 of "The Ram" at Ram Bridge, Moses Iorns was taken into custody at The Ram, Ram Bridge for being in posession of a stolen horse. I think I will go for a "Private ditto "
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
Kaga simpson
Peacehaven, East Sussex
221 of 494  Wed 6th Dec 2017 4:46pm  

Annewiggy, it's absolutely brilliant what you people come up with, think I'll just stand in the corner for a while.
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
NeilsYard
Coventry
222 of 494  Thu 1st Mar 2018 5:28pm  

This shot has been seen before but I've not noted it in colour before showing the City Arms on the corner of West Orchard Thumbs up And zoomed in -
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
AD
Allesley Park
223 of 494  Thu 1st Mar 2018 8:01pm  

Everytime I see shots like that above during the precinct construction I think "why wasn't the precinct designed to have St Johns as the feature at the east end to counteract the cathedral spire to the west?" Instead we got this totally arbitrary E-W alignment that leads the lower precinct out into nowhere, eventually covered over with Mercia House which has little aesthetic appeal or detail AND covers the route. Egos of architects and planners eh......?
Streets and Roads - Smithford Street (inc. Ram Bridge)
Annewiggy
Tamworth
224 of 494  Fri 9th Mar 2018 12:41pm  

This was the plan in 1938.
IMPROVEMENT PLAN IN SMITHFORD STREET Markets Committee Recommend Sale of Valuable Site DEMOLITION OF CORN EXCHANGE AS AID TO SHOPPING CENTRE Subject to the consent of Coventry City Council, on Tuesday, the Markets Committee will shortly carry into effect a scheme whereby they will dispose of a large and valuable site, on a 99 years' lease, in Smithford Street, enabling a further improvement to be made in one of the most popular shopping centres in the city. The scheme includes the demolition of the Corn Exchange and the widening of the Drinkwater Arcade. The properties belonging to the Markets Committee referred to are those which comprise the block between the White Lion Hotel and Market Street, and also certain properties on the west side of Market Street. Part of the property was recently leased to British Home Stores Ltd., whose new premises are now nearing completion. Regarding the property between the White Lion Hotel and the British Home Stores, the Committee recently invited offers for a building lease on conditions generally similar to those of the British Home Stores, and the most favourable offer recommended to the Council for acceptance is that from Cardigan Estates Ltd., of London. DRINKWATER ARCADE WIDENING The ground-floor space available, after allowing for a widening of Drinkwater Arcade, is approximately 637 square yards, and the lessees will have the right to erect buildings, from first-floor level upwards, over parts of Drinkwater Arcade of an area of approximately 94 square yards. All the properties on the land, except the Corn Exchange, are used as retail shops. Four are let on leases, which will expire in 1940, and the remainder are let on annual or shorter tenancies. The annual rents from these properties amount to £1,027. As regards the Corn Exchange, it will be necessary to obtain the consent of the Minister of Health to the proposed lease, for the scheme includes the demolition of that building. It is intended to provide alternative accommodation for those who use the Corn Exchange on Fridays in the Market Hall, where rooms are available. PREMIUM OF £28,000 The full recommendation to the Council proposes that, subject to the consent of the Minister of Health, Cardigan Estates Ltd. be granted a building lease on payment of a premium of £28,000 and an annual rent of £100. The company are to make their own arrangements for obtaining vacant possession of the properties and are, in any event, to start the demolition work as soon as the last of the leases expire in September 1940, thereafter to proceed with their building scheme. The company are to construct a new roof of a type to be approved by the Corporation over the widened Drinkwater Arcade, the cost of which will be borne by the Corporation, but which the company will maintain. ELEVATIONS OF NEW BUILDINGS The elevations of the new buildings are to be of terracotta or brick with stone facings, and they are to be the same height as the British Home Stores premises. The Corporation are to bear the cost of paving and lighting the Arcade, and in all other respects the conditions of the lease are to be similar to those contained in the agreement with British Home Stores Ltd.
Post copied from topic Drinkwater Arcade on 9th Mar 2018 1:04 pm
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Prof
Gloucester
225 of 494  Fri 9th Mar 2018 2:57pm  

I remember Smithford St looking like this, and the white building was part of the old Co-op before moving to Corporation Street. There was an entrance around the corner where one went to collect the dividend on purchases.
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